good lookin out...

or if you're not into "hood" vernacular, good job listening to the folk's feedback. :P

I do think you should be prepared for the influx of ASB user's complaints about the volume difference between CBs and NP.

just a head's up...


but good job on the decision to switch to NP, it's much more practical imho for that repping armor.

o/
Celly

Now we just need better rep per cycle for medium and large reps

So a fully loaded MAAR will cost twice as much to run as a LASB. Lame.

The say a picture is worth a thousand words... here is a graphical comparison of the AAR and the ASB


http://i.imgur.com/j0CLZs5.jpg


Please correct any mistakes I have made.

Please note that I gave the AAR 3x rigs to help it out a little bit. I didn't include the Overcharge rig because the exact mechanics have not been clarified.

Updated graphic with correct AAR total rep amount:

http://i.imgur.com/REYYlHK.jpg

For anyone wondering, the AAR tank without the rigs is is 238.5 per second, total of 4320. That's less than the L-ASB total.

This also shows how utterly ridiculous oversizing is.

And then when you need the burst rep, you have to wait 60 seconds for it to load; which is guaranteed to be 59 seconds too long for it to do you any good.

[quote=NetheranE]

For the small small price of making the AAR even more mediocre.

An updated graph.

You're kidding, right? Not only is the AAR inferior, it can't be stacked. ASBs can be stacked. And your solution is to stack even-more-inferior modules on top of this?

I don't even... what are you... how do you... in what alternate version of reality does this make sense to you?

Feel free to compare 1x large AAR + 2x LARs to 2x XL-ASB if you'd like.

Yeah... Dual Rep with one cap booster. Lemme know how that works out for you. And props on using overheat for your base tank numbers. Then again, that might be why you only need one cap booster, cuz either you land exactly on your target and tackle them, or you die... horribly. Cuz the awesome Void range is ~11km while the Mael is hitting out to ~34km with faction ammo and selectable damage type (Hype meet Fusion). Plus the Mael's tank is quite a bit higher than 1.2k DPS when overheating... and it lasts longer overheating than the LARs do.

Facts are terrible things.

Um. If you can't break 1.2K DPS tank on a Maelstrom I don't even know what to tell you. No, really.

-Liang

There are more Mids than lows to tank with after three damage mods..... etc etc etc ad infinitum.

CPU increase going from medium to large armor rep: 28 -> 55 (+96%)
PG increase going from medium to large armor rep: 173 -> 2300 (+1229%)

CPU increase going from large to x-large shield booster: 115 -> 230 (+100%)
PG increase going from large to x-large shield booster: 165 -> 550 (+233%)

Evidently the powergrid requirements of large armor repairers are so high to make it impossible to fit them on cruisers because that would be overpowered

Also note that 2x rep are roughly equal to shield booster + boost amp in terms of power, yet the boost amp is easy to fit.

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So Fozzie, how about no PG for plates and no cap use for reppers (just nanite paste).

Tell me when all this gets on sisi. I want it now.

Could anyone of devs comment - why should Reactive Armor Hardener have so desperate cap consumption?

Just me or are these ancillary armor reps going to cost a ton to keep online? its going to cost 100k isk for 1 rep cycle of the medium rep and 200k for the large one, this is outrageous, ccp needs to stop being lazy and make a new ammo type for the ancillary armor reps... Or they could just change nanite paste blueprint to make 100 per run so the price goes down to something reasonable... Otherwise this armor rep will cost ridiculous amount of isk to keep running...

As far as I can see the ARR's are not taking ship bonus's in to account I.E armour ships that get a bonus to reps

Example:

Large armour rep gives 600 per cycle. On a Kronos with its 7.5 per level bonus with marauders to 5 it gives 825 per cycle.
Large AAR gives 450 per cycle as it should be. On a Kronos it only gives 1350 per cycle with paste but does not get the 7.5 per leve

So you're still going ahead with yet more skillbooks for armor tankers to be effective as well as two gimped Gallente BCs??

AAR description: "... Deactivating the module while it has no Nanite Repair Paste loaded starts reloading, if there is Nanite Repair Paste available in cargo hold. ...."

thats a showstopper for me.

As soon i am caped out or want to pause the reps to safe energy the tank is gone for 60s. It happened to me the first time i tried it on the testserver, fought a ship which had a neut and i had a cap booster. As soon my cap was empty and the rep stopped for a short period (short before my booster hit) it reloaded.

This basically means that the "short burst + sustained tank" promise won't work in most of the fights i am usually in.

"Easier to fit multiple reps for armor":
You NEED to fit multiple reps to catch up to a single oversized rep +SBA.
And that's without mentioning how that oversized +SBA can be ASB.

"more rigs, notably increasing both efficiency AND burst":
a) Shield can improve efficiency and burst via resists better, as their overall resist is already stronger as soon as you get to T2 using 2 modules, and only gets better after that.
b) Sure, armor can delegate efficiency to rigs while shield uses mids, but T1 nano pump: +15% repair. T2 SBA:+36%
Only after allocating all three rigs to boost amount are you better than a single T2 midslot module.

"Finaly, until now, there wasn't a lot of reason to fly armor tanked ship indeed"
Not quite sure if there's any better reason now.
AAR still doesn't compare to ASB in my eyes.
Plate still has a worse drawback than Extenders as long as MWD is on (and if the enemy mounts a plate against a shield kiters, the MWD stay on...).

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Well, if I were to complain about it, it would be more in line with how for a BS, a single T2 +rep rig costs more than a Gist X-Type SBA.